July 2018 LHPB Meeting:

Elaine Allen’s Statements

Note: The complete transcript for this meeting is not yet available. In the interim, specific statements made at this meeting will be posted on this site and answered by Neil and Cindy Girrard. Excerpts from the transcript are in normal type - comments in response by Neil and Cindy Girrard are in blue.

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Allen: So I guess why Preston and I are here tonight is to ask the board to determine, based, if Mr. Smith, based on your opinion, talk amongst yourselves, decide if you would like Mr. Smith to resign. If you do, this is in our opinion, the commissioners’ opinion, the board, the reason we have the board is to make decisions like this and recommendations then to the commissioners. So, just like we ask you to make recommendations on anything that you approve, that’s what we’re asking you to do because this is an issue that we don’t feel the commissioners should try to decide because we’re not involved in it personally so, depending upon yourselves, deciding how you would like to move forward, then that’s what the commissioners will take as your recommendation and then that [garbled]

Someone: Excuse me. Are you suggesting…[garbled]

Borowski: Is that on the agenda?

Allen: Under Girrard, Girrard whatever, it’s on the agenda. Are we to that yet? I’m sorry, did I step out of line?

Borowski: No.

Allen: Ok.

Smith: [garbled – We’re there. ? ]

Allen: Oh, yes. That’s on the agenda. Mr. Girrard was invited to be here tonight. He chose not to come. And so, this is where we are. We were hoping he would have the opportunity to present his grievances to Chair Stone and myself but… and he was advised that this was his opportunity to do that. He’s chosen not to but the still outstanding thing is that his request that he sent to the commissioners was that Mr. Smith be removed from the board. So we need your direction on that matter.

Marsh?: Well, how are you looking for a response from us, from [garbled – letter … ], you know…

Allen: However, you are comfortable doing it. You can vote yourselves. You can, I mean, however you want to do it. These matters, because this is a public issue, I guess to explain at the last meeting or meeting before, I can’t remember which one it was, when Winston Moore was still on the board, he asked for an executive session. The attorney, Alan Morel, advised us that, because this board cannot be sued nor can it sue anyone, it is not appropriate, an executive session is not appropriate for this board. So, every decision you make needs to be made in the public. So, that’s pretty much where we are. It’s a public meeting, a public decision, and this board just needs to come to a decision however you go about doing it. You can do it through a motion or you can do it [garbled – separate?] however you choose as far as that goes. You can do it - I don’t know, I don’t know how you want [garbled]…

Someone: [Garbled – public statement.]

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Lies and misdirection. From a county commissioner even. Perhaps ignorance too. But we’ll have to break it out line by line.

Allen: So I guess why Preston and I are here tonight is to ask the board to determine, based, if Mr. Smith, based on your opinion, talk amongst yourselves, decide if you would like Mr. Smith to resign. If you do, this is in our opinion, the commissioners’ opinion, the board, the reason we have the board is to make decisions like this and recommendations then to the commissioners. So, just like we ask you to make recommendations on anything that you approve, that’s what we’re asking you to do because this is an issue that we don’t feel the commissioners should try to decide because we’re not involved in it personally…

Oh, Elaine Allen is not involved in it personally? Rory McMinn, Smith’s lifelong friend who stepped up to the mic a few minutes ago (see his comments and our rebuttal here), just happens to be her husband, a fact not mentioned at all at this meeting, that’s for sure! Allen used to be the historical board chair herself. She owns one of the Zone A properties that vitally depends on the ordinance remaining as it is. Oh, she is personally involved all right.

Allen: …so, depending upon yourselves, deciding how you would like to move forward, then that’s what the commissioners will take as your recommendation and then that [garbled]

Someone: Excuse me. Are you suggesting…[garbled]

Borowski: Is that on the agenda?

Allen: Under Girrard, Girrard whatever, it’s on the agenda.

Even Becky Borowski is astounded – her voice rings with disbelief. “Girrard Property” (as the July LHPB agenda reads) does not even begin to cover “Smith’s Board Membership” or anything close. The agenda item and the board members’ empty packets shows how this meeting was turned into an open-season attack against us even though it was Smith who implied his threat against us to burn our house down. As we suspected as soon as we heard the issue was being sent back to the board, we and not Smith were going to be on trial before “judges” who could not possibly be fair or unbiased.

Allen: Are we to that yet? I’m sorry, did I step out of line?

Borowski: No.

Allen: Ok.

Smith: [garbled – We’re there. ? ]

Allen: Oh, yes. That’s on the agenda.

Commissioner Elaine Allen has to again assure the board members that the question of requesting Smith’s resignation is appropriate being billed under “Girrard whatever.” Of course, it’s not appropriate! This whole meeting is way out of line!

Allen’s statement, “depending upon yourselves, deciding how you would like to move forward,” is also out of line. Some years back, the historical board adopted “Roberts Rules of Order” (the rules used by Congress and many other boards around the country) and those rules should have been reviewed and the board should be following them. It is to be noted that Smith should have yielded the chair to the vice chair (Marsh) and she should have been conducting the entire event. This nebulous “do whatever you want” format is guaranteed only to keep anyone from knowing the facts and guaranteed to perpetuate the board’s usual disregard and contempt for anything resembling judicial procedure. Anyone who has watched “Judge Judy” would be able to do better than this!

Allen: Mr. Girrard was invited to be here tonight. He chose not to come.

Wasn’t Mrs. Girrard invited as well? Why is Allen keeping this all about Mr. Girrard? This is a ploy to make it look like Mr. Girrard is out there all alone. No, our entire family is in this as our June 20 pre-meeting protest shows. (see our protest pics here.) But it’s much easier to paint a deceptive picture when you don’t have to stick to the facts.

We chose not to come because we never heard back from Nita Taylor. We sent her an email on July 11 and we asked her many questions about this July 18th meeting because it already smelled jicky to us that it wasn’t being handled by the commission but instead by what could only be a biased board since we were speaking so forthrightly against the ordinance and board’s abuse. She never bothered to answer. (The email we sent her that she never answered is here.) The events of this meeting shows that we were spot on in our concerns. This meeting was even more of a farce than we suspected it would be! Neither the tapes of Smith’s words nor any transcript of what he said, as we expected, were not even played or read at all. Still further, we sent a letter that we requested Nita Taylor to have read at the meeting (a copy was sent to Preston Stone, Linda Phillips (as code enforcement) and Katherine Marsh) but no one even mentioned that we had sent a letter. (The letter we sent to be read at the meeting is here.) Jicky is as jicky does!

Allen: And so, this is where we are. We were hoping he would have the opportunity to present his grievances to Chair Stone and myself but… and he was advised that this was his opportunity to do that.

Presenting our “grievances” to Stone and Allen is no “opportunity.” These are two of the people who, without public discussion among the commissioners, had already sent this issue back to the board! Nor were either of us ever advised by Nita Taylor or anyone else that we would have any opportunity to present anything to any commissioners. We were only told that some commissioners (but not enough for a quorum) were supposed to be there and that Nita Taylor “really wanted us to be there.” And of course, nothing about any of this was ever put in writing. How convenient. It makes it a lot easier to make Allen’s lies easier to believe.

Presenting any grievances to the board, especially since Smith (in total disregard for proper procedures clearly listed in Roberts Rules) remained as the chair for this discussion, would also be a complete waste of time as the outcome of this meeting also clearly shows. The board is enamored with its role of preserving “history” (which in Zone B does not exist) and their insanity is well known to all, except, of course, to the zealous believers in the historicity of Lincoln.

Allen: He’s chosen not to but the still outstanding thing is that his request that he sent to the commissioners was that Mr. Smith be removed from the board. So we need your direction on that matter.

Marsh?: Well, how are you looking for a response from us, from [garbled – letter … ], you know…

Allen: However, you are comfortable doing it. You can vote yourselves. You can, I mean, however you want to do it.

“However you want to do it” could possibly be the all-time motto for this board, or at least for its members! Smith wanted to come in and build himself a house and barn that doesn’t match the historical ordinance and, following Reginald Richey’s example, did just that. Others with money and lawyers can ignore the ordinance with impunity. The ordinance is only for those people whom the board can bully.

Allen: These matters, because this is a public issue, I guess to explain at the last meeting or meeting before, I can’t remember which one it was, when Winston Moore was still on the board, he asked for an executive session. The attorney, Alan Morel, advised us that, because this board cannot be sued nor can it sue anyone, it is not appropriate, an executive session is not appropriate for this board. So, every decision you make needs to be made in the public.

Who else besides the county attorney would know that the historical board shouldn’t hold an executive session? Moore certainly wouldn’t. Only those who know every minute law that someone has at some point in the past gotten passed can get done what needs done. The rest just wield power and hold on to their chair. Everyone we tell about what Smith has said are shocked or immediately recognize it as a threat or call it completely inappropriate. Even Becky Borowski, Lincoln’s top cheerleader, said that her initial response to Smith’s statements at the May LHPB meeting was “Holy crap! That’s not the way you conduct a meeting.” (July LHPB meeting) Who cares about right or wrong or truth or justice? Allen just has to quiet this thing down to protect her husband’s friend and preserve the beloved (albeit illegally oppressive) historical district.

In case it has escaped anyone’s attention, this meeting is precisely what has caused us to look for some way to protect ourselves from the insanity of this historical district and now it’s on the internet for all to read! Where will it have to go next in order for these insane people to recognize reality and be held accountable for their words and actions? Will they now come and burn us out because we refuse to be silent and abide by the insane opinions of this board? Perhaps. But even so we will stand as loyal Americans and expose this Soviet/Nazi styled insanity for what it is.

Allen: So, that’s pretty much where we are. It’s a public meeting, a public decision, and this board just needs to come to a decision however you go about doing it. You can do it through a motion or you can do it [garbled – separate?] however you choose as far as that goes. You can do it - I don’t know, I don’t know how you want [garbled]…

It sure seems to us that Allen’s ignorance of proper procedure is very apparent here and should disqualify her from holding public office! She should be required to resign! And we are not the only people calling for Allen’s resignation! Allen doesn’t even mention “Roberts Rules of Order” here or anywhere else or that the board adopted them some time back. That would be just another inconvenience for a county commissioner who is manipulating this board to do her dirty work for her. It’s not hard to win a hand when you can stack the deck – you just have to be a lot more slick about stacking the deck than this to get away with it.

When getting a fair hearing is too much to ask for from your local government, there is something very, very wrong with the people running your local government!